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Dream Big and Find Fellow Dreamers - Day 9 #31DaysOfBlogging

Our friend Bob Goff is a force for good on so many levels. You may have heard him speak, maybe you’ve read one of his books, or perhaps you’ve heard about the amazing work he does with Love Does all over the world helping kids get educated in high conflict zones like Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and more.


Bob is by far the most interesting friend we have ever had, and he is someone who keeps us going whenever we feel stuck. He has this way of encouraging people, near and far, to just DO THE NEXT THING you need to do in life.

In March, we were lucky enough to join Bob and his Dream Big crew in Nashville for a 2 day inspiring event where everyone’s sole purpose was to dig into a dream they’ve been wanting to chase.

Some people wanted to start businesses, write books, change careers, or travel somewhere they’ve never been before. It’s amazing what happens when you put a bunch of people in a room together to talk about their DREAMS. They start to become a reality.

There were so many amazing people in this room, you guys. We have no clue how we end up in these places with inspiring people, but we are INCREDIBLY grateful for it. It was in that DREAM BIG room that we met our new friend Ginna Claire Mason (ahem, GLINDA from the National Tour of Wicked who was also on our podcast this year,) and oh, no big deal, but we also met our childhood idol, Amy Grant. Yeah, she was there too. We fumbled around for words upon being introduced to her, but no doubt that was a highlight of our year.

Here’s the bottom line:

During this 2 day event, some of our dreams started to rise to the surface. We’ll tell you more about what they are as this month goes on, but we wanted to share something we learned with you from our experience at this event.

Take every opportunity to be around people who inspire you.


You are the sum total of the people you surround yourself with. So be picky and choosy about who gets your time. Look for people that are encouraging you to chase your dreams, who listen to your ideas, who hold space for the times when you feel like you want to quit. If you’re reading this and feeling frustrated that you know none of these sorts of folks…we have THE solution. Start being that person. Be the person that encourages others to chase their dreams, listen to other people’s ideas, hold space for times when they want to quit. Be who you are looking for. 

When you’re invited somewhere, show up and believe that anything could happen. Find people who talk about their DREAMS. Share your dreams out loud with someone, or with lots of people. When you start to say it out loud, it becomes closer and closer to becoming REAL. Dreams are made to be chased. People are made to connect.When you’re invited somewhere, show up and believe that anything could happen. Find people who talk about their DREAMS. Share your dreams out loud with someone, or with lots of people. When you start to say it out loud, it becomes closer and closer to becoming REAL. Dreams are made to be chased. People are made to connect.

Life is made to be lived, and lived to the FULLEST.

Tomorrow we’re going to tell you about the idea that we can change the world in our sweatpants.

Much love!


From a Sketchy Hotel To Law School (#31DaysofBlogging)

This blog is a part of a series #31DaysofBlogging … we are going through the year (2015) chronologically.

So…Where’d we leave off? Ah yes--we had just finished up the $8 dollar show in San Francisco. Yippee. So that night we made it about half-way to LA and stopped at a (somewhat questionable) hotel off the 5 freeway. We were SO tired that we only brought our computers and guitars upstairs with us. WE DIDN’T EVEN BRING OUR TOOTHBRUSHES. We know that’s gross and normally our oral hygiene is top notch but sometimes, the road wins. No judging friends. We were tired and the thought of making another trip out to the car at 2am to get more stuff seemed ludicrous.

We slept. We woke up. Ate some free breakfast and hit the road...we had no plans for the day except to get to LA, get Coffee Bean & go to our next hotel. Literally, that was our agenda for the day.

We were about an 40 minutes outside of LA and posted this tweet:

"2 thumbs up for being in California! Thx for coming out last night San Fran! LA, good to see ya. #tourlife #jillisdriving"

"2 thumbs up for being in California! Thx for coming out last night San Fran! LA, good to see ya. #tourlife #jillisdriving"

About 5 minutes after that we  got a call from our friend Bob Goff. He said:

“Hey...saw your tweet. if you guys aren’t busy, come teach my law class with me at Pepperdine. It starts in two hours. Want to meet me there?” school? Bob? Absolutely. We were in. We told him we’d meet him there in about an hour.

Only problem was that since we thought we’d just be driving straight to our hotel, we didn’t exactly get “law school ready” for the day. Well, actually, we didn’t get any sort of ready for the day. We weren't even "gas station attendant ready." We just got in the car in our sweatpants, messy hair and drove.

So, we pulled into The Coffee Bean (as per the plan), grabbed some clothes out of the trunk (like the classy people we are) and changed in the public bathroom. Yes, okay, fine...we brushed our teeth there too. *reminder no judging (Sidenote: We can’t tell you how many public bathrooms we've have changed in this year. It’s kind of weird.)

We grabbed our iced beverages, avoided eye contact with anyone that had just seen us do a “quick change” in the bathroom, put on makeup in the car and drove over the canyon to Pepperdine which is in gorgeous Malibu, CA. We met up with Bob and talked about what the plan was for the class. Bob is such a gem. He’s got this infectious way of making you think about ordinary things, turn them into extraordinary things by DOING SOMETHING. If Bob has taught us anything it’s that you’ve got to move. Take action! He has the biggest heart for loving people. This day & spending time with Bob ended up being such a highlight of the trip for us.

We asked Bob what we could possibly teach to his law students? Last we checked neither of us had passed the bar. He said, “ I want you to talk about some of your most epic fails. Like, the times when things have really gone wrong or you’ve really messed up. Then I want you to talk about some things that have gone really well. Will you talk about that to my class this afternoon?”

Ha! What? Epic fails? You mean, get up in front of a smart group of strangers and talk about how we’ve FAILED. We laughed and thought about the VERY night before..our $8 dollar evening. Yup, we definitely had something to share...and something that was fresh :) We then began to think of all the other times we’ve royally messed up...we made a list in fact.

We got to Pepperdine and would be totally lying if we didn’t make an Elle Woods reference before getting out of the car. Walking into the building was a tad intimidating but everyone was SO KIND. We sat in Bob’s class, listened to him teach, then it was our turn. It was so awesome standing in front of these young, brilliant minds and sharing some stories of how we’ve messed up. We held up our $8 envelope and told them the story. We told them other stories of how we have epically failed. Then we shared some success stories. It was GREAT!

We loved the lesson we were learning in that classroom. Life is full of epic fails and successes. You will have both. But, that’s how life goes. You have to keep moving forward. Your successes don’t define you. Your failures don’t define you. We all will fail and sometimes we want to hide our failures to seem more “credible” or perfect. But, hearing Bob share some of his failures and thinking back on other times we’ve had people share failures with us, it actually makes us trust them MORE.

Our visit to Pepperdine that day was maybe the furthest thing from what we could’ve imagined our day would look like that morning when we woke up in a sketchy hotel on the 5 freeway. But isn’t that cool? Anything can happen. And yes, we were "guest speakers" in the class, but really, we're pretty sure we learned more than anyone that day. 

SAY YES. You never know what could happen. You could become an adjunct law professor like we did that day. HAHA! "Yes": what a powerful word.

See you tomorrow, ladies and gents.


Oh (Sweet) Canada! #31DaysofBlogging

This blog is a part of a series #31DaysofBlogging … we are going through the year (2015) chronologically.

A few days after we got back from Ohio, we took off for a Canadian adventure. We flew to Vancouver and joined a bunch of brand new friends for a trip to Malibu, Canada. Our friend Bob (and his wife Maria) invited us up to their lodge which was OUT OF THIS WORLD. We had to take several buses and boats to get there and it was totally worth it! The few days we got to spend up there were focused solely on resting, reflecting, swimming, jumping off waterfalls, and meeting new AMAZING friends. It was such a necessary break for us.


There was no cell service and no internet service (like, when we say NO service, we mean NONE) which was incredible. It was a little unnerving at first. I can’t tell you how many times I reached for my phone to check it. Check what? I don’t know, just whatever it is that I check when I look at my phone. But, it didn’t work there. We really are addicted to our phones and to constant online communication. You never realize how dependent you are on it until it’s completely gone.

And then this amazing thing happens: You realize that you CAN actually LIVE without it!


We didn’t tweet and guess what? The world didn’t stop.
We didn’t post a picture to Instagram and guess what? We are still alive and well!
We didn’t text anyone and guess what? Nothing happened!

It sounds ridiculous, but seriously. When was the last time you didn’t look at your phone or a computer for 3 days? It’s crazy.

For me, (Jill) I realized that it gave me some time to see where I was with myself. All of the crap that had gone on during the past few months had affected me much more than I had even realized. I was drained, weary, and discouraged. Even though we knew that there was purpose in getting fired and feeling displaced, it didn’t mean that it was easy to go through.

The 3 days at Bob & Maria’s lodge in Canada gave me time to reconnect with myself. There was so much time to be silent, think, and process. One thing that I did while I was there was I got baptized. It’s a longer story than I’ll write on here, but I’ve never been baptized even though I’ve been a Christian most of my life. This was so cool for me. I was able to share in this with new friends that we made over this weekend who have become some of my closest friends even in such a short time. It was definitely the highlight of my trip. It was a time for me to rekindle my relationship with God, be more honest with myself, and have a fresh start.

I felt like this was a chance to start over. I left the lodge with such a new excitement and appreciation for life. The people who we spent time with there were SUCH GREAT PEOPLE. This trip was almost exactly halfway through the year and it was a visible SHIFT for us. A turning point. We met inspiring friends who are doing AMAZING things in this world like rescuing child soldiers, writing life-changing books, making inspiring music, running successful, meaningful companies, and so much more. 

As Bob often says, "God doesn't send us notes, he sends us people" and "love everybody, always." We couldn't agree more. We are big believers in the idea that relationships are the most important thing in life. When it comes to REALLY GOOD friends, our cups overflow like crazy and we couldn't be more grateful.

Speaking of really good friends, let’s talk about our friend Jann Arden. She’s Canadian (as most awesome people are) and we decided to go have a visit with her since we were already in that neck of the woods for our trip to the lodge.

So we finished up our time at the lodge and jumped on a flight from Vancouver to Calgary to spend a few days with Jann.

If you don’t know her, YOU SHOULD. Jann is a singer/songwriter/author/lover-of-people/lover-of-animals and SO much more. She is freaking hilarious and she’s one of the kindest, most humble, outrageously generous souls we know. We had the awesome opportunity last year to open her tour in Eastern Canada and it was to-date our favorite tour we have ever done. Jann has supported us in our music and in our lives like none other. It’s not often that artists are so incredibly supportive of other artists, but Jann is an incredible example of what it means to champion other artists.

On the #janntour last year…this was walking out to play our first ARENA. That's right, we were OFF THE WALL   excited.

On the #janntour last year…this was walking out to play our first ARENA. That's right, we were OFF THE WALL excited.

We had such a great time at Jann’s. She took us to some of her favorite places in town, we took walks down #JannsRoad (search that hashtag on’s beautiful!), went to Banff, and spent hours talking about life and music. She also let us preview her Christmas album (which is out now) and has become our most-played Christmas album this season!



Jann is such an encourager and a mentor to us. She has lived this crazy music-industry life and we have so much to learn from her. She is humble, strong, vulnerable, kind...and she doesn’t take herself too seriously. She is always down for a good laugh...and laugh, we did!

This trip was so life-giving for us. Like we said, it was a SHIFT in our year.

Remember, in life, there are seasons. So if you are in a really terrible time, it WILL get better. If you’ve been in a lull, a drought, a funk....the SHIFT is coming. Be ready for it. Be excited. Be hopeful. Surround yourself with people who believe in you and who help you to be your BEST self. 

Tomorrow the blogging continues.